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Coming out in 1990, No.4 by Jil Sander had both accumulated the gist of the big orientals that dominated the decade of carnage (and emulated their core elements), such as YSL Opium, CK Obsession, Dior Poison and to a lesser degree Cinnabar and Cacharel Loulou, but had also devised a way to give an impression of quiet animalism, an aura of worn elegance that was antithetical to the distance that the quarterback shoulder pads of these fragrances evoked at the same time.
It's utterly meaningless to try to differentiate "notes" in this perfume, as the weaving of each thread in this complex macramé is so intricate and complex that it would be more of an exercise in author's vanity than an actual helpful breakdown. The notes read like there's everything and the kitchen sink in it. It'd be much more practical to say that No.4 by Jil Sander is warm, perceptibly spicy with anise and what I sense as clove-coriander (a whiff of pomander), with a tuberose heart winking to Poison's direction. And more importantly it has the sort of oriental base that characterizes big 1980s classics: big, proud, Amazonian, sounding its barbaric yawp over the rooftops of the world.
If you like that sort of nyctophyliac thing, you will like this sort of thing, but it's worth keeping in mind these are bombastic perfumes worthy of a mini Katrina in radius; be sparing and considerate of your fellow human beings when applying, don't ambush them in the morning train to work.
If you enjoy anise and clove orientals but want something more contemporary (with a much higher price tag), you can look into Noir Epices by Frederic Malle for an alternative. If you'd rather settle for the under-appreciated underdog, No.4 can be found online for a decent price.
I have a vintage boxed miniature to share with a lucky reader. Please comment below this post with your impressions/opinions/questions to enter the draw. Draw is open internationally till Sunday midnight and winner will be announced some time on Monday.
Notes for Jil Sander No.4:
Top: geranium, peach, bergamot, plum, anise
Heart: rose, violet, jasmine, tuberose, heliotrope, ylang ylang, coriander
Base: amber, sandalwood, oakmoss, patchouli, vanilla, musk, civet, cedar, tonka bean.
Related reading on PerfumeShrine:
Underrated Perfume Day (reviews of forgotten fragrances),
Oriental Perfume Basics.
In the early days of my perfume obsession, I recall reading about #4 as am almost mythical creature, sometimes mentioned beside Paco Rabanne La Nuit as a true oriental with authentic skank. I never had the chance to try #4 and I would like to, thanks for the generous opportunity!
ReplyDeleteI think I misread the security mix on my first try. Just saying that, even though I have not tried Jil Sander No. 4, I have worn (and still do) Opium, Poison (now Hypnotic), Cinnabar, and Youth Dew. Would love to try No. 4, so thanks for the chance. Hope I didn't repeat. J
ReplyDeleteI am so curious how vintage perfume smells. I was not around for those glorious 80th. Thank you for the give away!
ReplyDeleteThose grand orientals from the 80s remind me of the scents my mum used to wear (I am a child of the late 80s). It'd be nice to olofactorily revisit those times now.
ReplyDeleteI'd like something that smells like a pomander. I wonder if this will be too commercial, however.
ReplyDeleteI've never tried any Jil Sander fragrances, but I do love big spicy orientals like Youth Dew.
ReplyDeleteI have to laugh at your description of Spellbound. It was my signature fragrance when it first came out (I know, what was I thinking?). I'm afraid I skunked the people at work with it. After not having worn it for many years, I tried it again recently, and had to wear it on a train ride home from New York City, wishing I could chew my arm off!
I do have a lot of nostalgia for those huge scents of the 80s. I spent the decade in the original Fendi and Coco. It's a shame that so many of these scents have been either discontinued or wanly reformulated.
ReplyDeletei'v never tried jil sander #4, but i very much like the sound of it from your description! i love "opium", and so-called 'big' orientals are one of my favorite categories. i'm rather nostalgic about the fragrances of the 80s, although i was not a big fan of "poison' or 'obsession"; their assertiveness and radiating strength please me. i giggled a bit at the description of "spellbound", which doesn't strike me as overly strong...but then, hardly anything does. there are perfumes i dislike greatly, but it's not because they over-reach---it's because they smell cheap, or too synthetic, or simply aren't to my taste. if i like something, i like LOTS of it...and in perfume, i want to move in a delicious cloud of scented loveliness (not room-clearingly so, of course!) that lasts and lingers on fabric, leather, hair...
ReplyDeleteI like the old scents.
ReplyDeleteI used to own some of the big shoulder pads scents from the 80's/90's: Lou Lou, Jazz, Opium (I still love it; the vintage formula that is),Poison, among others. Something in me misses those days. I feel melancholic about the stylized vulgarity that turns both the perfumes of the 80'/90s and those decades into some sort of lost time. when I feel Proustian and I am in search for those lost times, scents from those decades transport me to my fantasy of better days (it's a fantasy; those days were never too good). I still mourn Shiseido's Feminite du Bois. I own the SL reformulated version which to me is so water down that it makes me rabid.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this wonderful giveaway!
I remember the 80's fondly. The perfume's were strong and powerful. Jill Sander would be new for me, I'd love to win especially as I collect miniatures.
ReplyDeleteI have never smelled Jill Sanders' perfume though I love myself some spicy orientals a la Must de Cariet and my beloved vintage Shalimar.
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I think my favorite spicy oriental is Musc Ravageur. I'd love to try Jill Sander no. 4. Thanks for the giveaway.
ReplyDeleteCuriously, I was dithering about whether to order "Jil Sander No. 4" as a blind-buy ... Now you've set me thinking of it again!
ReplyDeleteOff to look at it online once more:=)
cheerio, Anna in Edinburgh
I've not tried a Jill Sander ever. I like trying vintage formulations, always fun. I've tried vintage Obsession and vintage Poison. Both are nice and full bodied. I really like Poison.
ReplyDeletety for the draw
I loved living through the 80's and wearing the scents too. I recently bid on some vintage opium but didn't get it. I lived in Opium in the 80's and Obsession too. You know how I love the spicy orientals E. Thank you for the drawing,count me in.
ReplyDeleteThis is my mum's scent, and strongly charged in my mind to her, sweet, complicated, kind of funky. Worthy of coming out of long-time lurking here for.
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This brought back some memories! I used to wear this in the mid to late 1990's. I had no idea it was still around (and maybe it isn't since this is a vintage mini). I had the eau de p and the shower gel. Since i have not seen it in ages it would be such fun to revisit this one. Thanks very much for the opportunity.
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I am breaking out the shoulder pads, chiffon, and Dynasty. I have not tried this one, but loved Poison. Thanks for the opportunity.
ReplyDeleteThis one sounds very interesting. Did the company discontinue all of their older scents? It's hard to find them even at the discounters.
ReplyDeleteJil Sander No. 4 is simply perfect, the only thing I might have asked for in this "perfect" frag was a bit of smokiness or a hint of leather; but this is something I would NEVER want to see messed with, and an overly smoky or leathery feel would tip this in a direction it was never meant to go. I would sell some body part I had two of, just to own a full bottle of this juice!! I only hope that the men's scents are as awesome! Part of me is actually afraid to sniff other Jil Sander scents, as they may not live up to this one... I imagine the No. 4 Parfum is out of this world!
ReplyDeleteI have an unopened bottle of Jill Sander--cellophane wrapper still intact--which I suppose means I bought a second bottle after almost using up the original. I know I once had No. 4 but cannot find it nor remember what it smelled like although I think I liked it. In any event, it is a very nice gesture for you to do a give-away and I thank you for the opportunity.
ReplyDeleteThere's nothing like a vintage oriental! I'm always looking for something even remotely close to those classic scents and never succeed!
ReplyDeleteI think I may have had this perfume in the 1990's. I guess I'll know if I win it! It sounds great.
ReplyDeleteLike rosarita, I've read about the almost mythical #4, but never had the chance to try it. I loved Opium and wore it for years. This sounds right up my alley.
ReplyDeleteI love the big orientals. They have always been my favorites. After reading your marvelous review, it would be wonderful to try this. Thanks for the draw.
ReplyDeleteI just pitched out all my 1980's Vogue dress patterns after finally accepting the fact that no one would ever want to wear any of those fashions ever again. TOOOO much fabric and TOOOO big of a silhouette!!! BIG perfumes are quite another matter, they will always be iconic and interesting. Count me in for this draw!
ReplyDeleteI've never tried Jil Sander No. 4, but did live through the
ReplyDeletethe 70's and 80's wearing Opium and
Youth Dew.
Searching for vintage
orientals and chypres has become a bit of an obsession, and I would
love to discover JS No.4.
Thank you for the opportunity.
This was one of my first grown-up perfumes--though in my mid-20s, I now think I was just barely grown up enough for it! Loved its sexy over-the-top spicy floral blast. Thanks for the great write-up and triggering some memories!
ReplyDeleteI'm all for warm and spicy, love orientals and big 80's shoulder pad frags, so please count me in. Thank's for the amazing draw and have a nice weekend, Elena!
ReplyDeleteThank you for this wonderful review that made me snicker and smile! I was a devout wearer of Jil Sander Woman III until it became impossible to find here or in Europe. I have kept a bottle with a few drops in the depths of my closet to sniff when I need to recall that beautiful scent. Haven't tried Jil Sander IV but it sounds like I need to!
ReplyDeleteI used to have a bottle of this and liked it very much. It was stupid of me, then, to have swapped it away years ago. I've always regretted it. Hmph.
ReplyDeleteAllegedly, Jacqueline Onassis wore this, though not for long, as she died in 1994.
Cheers,
Marsi
I have sampled one of the older Jill Sanders - it had a number - but I can't remember which it was. It was at a discounter I tried it so probably not vintage. But, I found it wonderfully full and rounded - and think I much preferred it to La Nuit which I was also testing at the time. Nice review!
ReplyDeleteI remember the big orientals of the 80s, but have never tried Jil Sander No. 4. Sounds like it would be wonderful!
ReplyDeleteThe 80s orientals were the real mcCoy. So please count me in! Thnx!
ReplyDeleteMy husband lived in Germany when it was launched. He purchased it for me & I wore it on my wedding day. Any man that independently purchases a fragrance for a woman, should be snagged up. The scent reminds me when love was fresh and new
ReplyDeleteI love loud spicy orientals yet i have never tried Jil Sanders. Count me in. Thank You
ReplyDeleteI'm just beginning in my interest in vintages, and would love the chance to indulge in some 80s magic. Thanks for the opportunity!
ReplyDeleteLoved, loved vintage Opium (the new stuff is not good on me) and Coco.
ReplyDeleteI remember trying one Jil Sander fragrance and not liking it, but No. 4 sounds great to me. Please enter me in the draw.
Oh bring it on....the 80s I mean, ha! Just today I went into Ulta with my teenage daughter and walked through the fragrance section and this awful synthetic smell from all those popular fragrances were "aerosolized" in a mixed cloud around me. I do not know what the molecule is that is so persistent in todays perfumes, but it's just sickening to me to be honest. Give me vintage or niche perfumes any day and thank you so much for this draw!
ReplyDeleteI collect and I wear the vintage scents of those so-called "vintage years". Hard to say "vintage" because that's saying I myself am, too. But then again, I've had the experience of many years of perfumery, and it's wonderful. Thank you for this opportunity. Good luck to all!
ReplyDeleteWow... How lovely to have the WOW factor in a perfume. I am not shy when it comes to perfume and would like to try this very much. Thanks for keeping me upto date on the scent world
ReplyDeleteSadly I have yet to try No 4. Loving your description though. Please enter me in the draw.
ReplyDeletePortia xx
I've always wondered if there will be a difference between a modern vintage (like a modern perfume, say bright crystal) and an old vintage, considering that the ingredients have changed so much over the years. Thanks for the giveaway!
ReplyDeleteThank you for this draw. As a high school student, when I first started trying cosmetics and fragrance, I remember going to school wearing one of my mom's spicy oriental perfumes from the 80s. I didn't yet have my own perfumes, ones maybe more appropriate for my age, but I know her vintage ones made me feel mature among my peers. I still have a soft spot for these bold scents.
ReplyDeleteThis was one of my husbamd's faves, way back when.
ReplyDeleteI've never smelled this, but almost all of my favorite perfumes are orientals, so I'm intrigued. Thanks for the draw.
ReplyDeleteThis perfume sounds just suitable for Christmas season, would be great to have a chance to try it!
ReplyDeleteI remember sampling Jill Sander 4 at Sephora, many years ago. I liked it, but I was a bit scared about the perfume.
ReplyDeleteNow, that I even wear Spellbound when the mood for it arises, I would like to try it
one of the best icon perfumes of the 80'S
ReplyDeleteBlaiseantoine,
ReplyDeleteindeed and LOL, I almost read your alias as "baise Antoine" which brought a smile to my face.
I have this & still like it - body creme too. Nice to read a review.
ReplyDeleteRed,
ReplyDeleteI miss it. The body cream must have been great. Ah....Enjoy!
Thanks for reading and for commenting!
who is the perfumer of no 4?
ReplyDeletethanx
I seem to recall there were 2 perfumers credited with its composition? I think I read it in Michael Edwards but have not noted it down for posterity. If it comes back to me I will include it in the review.
DeleteI had gotten this scent from my husband back in 2000, my son was about 2 and broke the bottle. I have not been able to find it since. Does she make one called red? I fell in love with this scent and am so happy to have found it again!!!! thank you.
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