tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post5094477578786554955..comments2024-03-27T09:09:56.489+00:00Comments on Perfume Shrine: The Strange Case of Dr.Oakmoss and Mr.Citrus (part 1)Perfumeshrinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-85326666415008033852009-12-31T11:11:55.281+00:002009-12-31T11:11:55.281+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-33622059792859837862009-12-29T09:45:29.993+00:002009-12-29T09:45:29.993+00:00A,
thanks for chimming in and sorry I saw this la...A,<br /><br />thanks for chimming in and sorry I saw this late. Definitely your logic sounds perfectly reasonable and yes, an Eau for no.19 seems plausible: however I wonder how that might be since CEV is already a "green eau" in there and there are at least a couple of orris scents in the stable.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-53488813849062419832009-04-16T07:17:00.000+01:002009-04-16T07:17:00.000+01:00Helg,
You raised a good point about Cristalle EdP...Helg,<br /><br />You raised a good point about Cristalle EdP. In that case (and Chanel No. 5 EdP for that matter) the house has a tradition to encourage the current nose to respect the heritage as much as possible. It's only when a nose is doing semi-flankers will there be a more drastic change (witness the current Eau Premiere and Eau Verte). Oh yeah, don't quote me but I bet an "Eau" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-49142728327306812522009-04-15T18:15:00.000+01:002009-04-15T18:15:00.000+01:00Ah...I was looking at my own typing in the first p...Ah...I was looking at my own typing in the first paragraph and you meant the quote coming directly off the study. NOW I see! Thanks! <br /><br />Yes, that's what I surmissed from the paper as well: mice ears' being scrutinized and then humans subjected to patch tests. (and yes the killing is actually mentioned in the study itself, I was feeling rather sorry for the poor things by that point!)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-38713515875748682442009-04-15T16:21:00.000+01:002009-04-15T16:21:00.000+01:00Hi, E. Thanks for sending the paper. I see from th...Hi, E. Thanks for sending the paper. I see from the Introduction that the typo I mentioned is in the original paper:<br /><br /><I>Based on the submission by EFFA1 of a study "Local <B>nymph</B> Node Assay (LLNA)- Sensitisation dossier on Atranol and Chloroatranol"</I> <B>(emphasis added)</B>That should of course be "local <B>lymph</B> node assay (LLNA)."<br /><br />The LLNA is a methodology for Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320628861633769796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-62195086586526988732009-04-15T08:41:00.000+01:002009-04-15T08:41:00.000+01:00Sure thing! Sending it to you!
:-)Sure thing! Sending it to you!<br />:-)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-8793746153572913692009-04-15T01:10:00.000+01:002009-04-15T01:10:00.000+01:00Hello again E --
Thanks for the kind words.
I fo...Hello again E --<br /><br />Thanks for the kind words.<br /><br />I forgot to ask for a copy of the study, could you send me one? Thanks!Olfactahttp://olfactarama.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-31574270270232043392009-04-14T22:28:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:28:00.000+01:00T,
thanks and I am glad we have thinking people i...T,<br /><br />thanks and I am glad we have thinking people in our ranks who can put two and two together and reason. Issues are never one-sided nor simplistic and as long as we try to get as much info as possible, it's all for the best.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-68158015798108277632009-04-14T22:27:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:27:00.000+01:00A,
as you say, the plot thickens. I do hear cetai...A,<br /><br />as you say, the plot thickens. I do hear cetain things and report my deductions, although of course I don't know everything but some things seem to corroborate others. <br />I was that close to mentioning Jeffrey Wingang the other day, but I refrained as it might be unfair. <br />But your point is well taken and I do see the similarities myself (in fact coumarin is very much an Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-40055328451827109502009-04-14T22:24:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:24:00.000+01:00A,
thanks so much! You do bring great points alwa...A,<br /><br />thanks so much! You do bring great points always, I do appreciate it.<br /><br />1.I think your batch comes from indirect supplying from Biolandes (no one less produces the low atranol oakmoss to my knowledge ~they buy from Biolandes).<br />Indeed specially tailored ingredients are not unheard of (Jean Claude Ellena does this for a fact for Hermes) and it seems like it's very...en Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-47020979015356315662009-04-14T22:17:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:17:00.000+01:00J,
of course I will be mailing the study to you s...J,<br /><br />of course I will be mailing the study to you shortly. It's quite interesting and not too difficult to follow really. It exhibits how the experiments were performed on rats and then on humans as well (which is a great bit of another clue, no?)<br />But try as I might I didn't find a typo with Nymph. (I do make a lot though, rushed as I am usually). But what a witty observation you Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-41469823064286000932009-04-14T22:14:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:14:00.000+01:00Oh and best wishes for the Facebook group. (if I w...Oh and best wishes for the Facebook group. (if I weren't that inept and negative with all those social things, I might join)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-58819123052337126292009-04-14T22:13:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:13:00.000+01:00A,
the point on the suppliers you raised is the m...A,<br /><br />the point on the suppliers you raised is the most crucial. Because where there's a will there's a way, but how could artisanal people make those revolutionary products without the proper building blocks? It's worth pondering on.<br /><br />The closing up of the little guys is always a sad, bitter tale...Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-4817873597705645262009-04-14T22:12:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:12:00.000+01:00D,
I am so sorry honey the comment disappered! Is...D,<br /><br />I am so sorry honey the comment disappered! Is Blogger acting up again? Hopefully it won't do it again. <br /><br />It's true that sometimes I get a bit carried away in the thoroughness I aspire to and write looooong, boring posts full of data and not go for the snarky or the humorous side. I apologise to all my readers I tired, I guess you could get the girl out of academia, but Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-47225127067010028422009-04-14T22:08:00.000+01:002009-04-14T22:08:00.000+01:00Hello P!
Thanks for saying so and hope it puts so...Hello P!<br /><br />Thanks for saying so and hope it puts some balance to everyone's "now what?" aporia. <br />I would never descibe your voice as "howling" though, as you always seem to bring interesting points!<br />And yes, too much passivity indicates either a throwing of the towel or some assurance that the job will go on regardless (and how much better than raising a storm and getting Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-79853226245797202642009-04-14T19:20:00.000+01:002009-04-14T19:20:00.000+01:00Charlotte Vale, you make some really good points. ...Charlotte Vale, you make some really good points. And thanks E for pointing out the Grasse issue, the plot truly thickens. I think you are right when you say...<br /><br />"Do continue to support the artisanal perfumers, now more than ever." And I would add to that, especially those who use naturals, it seems like the big guns want to get rid of them so we need to support those indie perfumers Trishhttp://www.scenthive.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-48042585231027826482009-04-14T18:56:00.000+01:002009-04-14T18:56:00.000+01:00Hi E,
Didn't realize that the Big Six only became...Hi E,<br /><br />Didn't realize that the Big Six only became IFRA members in 2007, since it's not on their website. So before that it was just the trade associations? Who represented, among others, those companies in Grasse that just got swallowed up? The plot thickens.<br /><br />This all reminds me of the mergers and acquisitions in the American tobacco industry after tort lawsuits Charlotte Valehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13543098989294486457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-11734259913588578482009-04-14T17:12:00.000+01:002009-04-14T17:12:00.000+01:00Hey Helg!
Lovely article as usual! You have given...Hey Helg!<br /><br />Lovely article as usual! You have given me a lot of new info so I'll have to re-read it a couple more times to get all the facts straight. But here's what I know:<br /><br />1. As you know I have a batch of IFRA complient oakmoss and it seems like a good representation of the traditional oakmoss. I haven't tried the Biolande oakmoss so I can't vouch for its authenticity (I Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-6818083143056237102009-04-14T14:39:00.000+01:002009-04-14T14:39:00.000+01:00Hi, E. Thanks for posting these thoughtful comment...Hi, E. Thanks for posting these thoughtful comments. I'd be curious to read the pdf of the study (which, by the way, has an amusing typo above:<br /><br />"Local nymph Node Assay(LLNA)-Sensitisation dossier on Atranol and Chloroatranol",<br /><br />I'm assuming that's "local LYMPH node assay." *Imagines the messy job of capturing nymphs and satyrs, and assaying them for fragrance sensitization*.Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320628861633769796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-18179206706326805242009-04-14T14:07:00.000+01:002009-04-14T14:07:00.000+01:00To add: I started a group on Facebook that address...To add: I started a group on Facebook that addresses both issues: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=65087962875anyasgardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10223385840614041356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-10575563973256407962009-04-14T13:58:00.000+01:002009-04-14T13:58:00.000+01:00Independent perfumers like myself will not have to...Independent perfumers like myself will not have to follow the regs, that seems to be lost in the fury, but still --- the big companies are capitulating, ruining the classic perfumes.<br /><br />They have the big pockets that the lawsuit-happy public loves, and no backbone to fight IFRA. <br /><br />Still - the biggest problem may be, as I noted, the disappearance of small growers/distillers. Thatanyasgardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10223385840614041356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-6463371545172702282009-04-14T13:41:00.000+01:002009-04-14T13:41:00.000+01:00Trying to post a reply again - the last one disapp...Trying to post a reply again - the last one disappeared, as did yesterday's....<br /><br />Dear E, thank you for providing such informative material, as always, even though as a professed non-scientist my head now hurts a little!<br /><br />There has been such a lot of hysteria lately about the new (and not so new) legislation that it is refreshing to read such a sensible and balanced evaluation,Fiordiliginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-70150947516907618472009-04-14T11:33:00.000+01:002009-04-14T11:33:00.000+01:00Hi E!
It's early and I'm still too sleepy to give...Hi E!<br /><br />It's early and I'm still too sleepy to give your post the attention it deserves. I will, today.<br /><br />I appreciate your voice of reason amidst all the howling (some from me, I admit.)<br /><br /> It has occurred to me that most things are about money; the perfumers who work for the corporations know this is their livelihood. That's why the appear to be passive.<br /><br />Olfactahttp://olfactarama.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com