tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post4051164975522530476..comments2024-03-27T09:09:56.489+00:00Comments on Perfume Shrine: Optical Scentsibilities: Memento MoriPerfumeshrinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-75203607156797334832016-03-21T11:15:44.452+00:002016-03-21T11:15:44.452+00:00There's only so far you can go with "art&...There's only so far you can go with "art" in a commercially available product, after all, Ramon! :)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-55091911578049077372016-03-15T16:12:07.708+00:002016-03-15T16:12:07.708+00:00It's truly art but it was created in such a co...It's truly art but it was created in such a commercial way it seems, with a brief and hundreds of perfumers sending in samples, it also had a name before it even had a scent, the name Poison was trademarked years before its launch. LetThemEatCakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339492139237154732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-53456380945456602062016-03-15T10:14:25.680+00:002016-03-15T10:14:25.680+00:00Perhaps the real question is whether it's arti...Perhaps the real question is whether it's artistic, rather than high falutin' "art" (too much academics and somehow it loses the punchline). IMHO it's very artistic. <br />I hope to be able to come back and talk about this some more. Stay tuned!Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-49259019560155116342016-03-11T17:28:42.001+00:002016-03-11T17:28:42.001+00:00It certainly was a groundbreaking project. I don&#...It certainly was a groundbreaking project. I don't know if it's art, since it was commissioned through briefs and so on, I would love to hear more about its creation, there is some info online but not much. LetThemEatCakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339492139237154732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-59008899083422479272016-03-11T08:20:46.337+00:002016-03-11T08:20:46.337+00:00Good question. Because they have become a pop refe...Good question. Because they have become a pop reference (feces is more sensational). <br />Also because factually they are featured in feces, so the reference is there (even if feces actually smell more of thiols and sulfur). <br />You may want to consult my Indole article:<br />http://perfumeshrine.blogspot.com/2010/05/jasmine-indolic-vs-non-indolic.htmlPerfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-65463659449156501512016-03-11T08:17:52.019+00:002016-03-11T08:17:52.019+00:00Negative is enticing, everyone loves a good villai...Negative is enticing, everyone loves a good villain! Since sex and seduction is implicated in villainy of sorts, as in the tale of Eve and the serpent, it goes without saying that a negative element should be there in the story. It's also logical in this string of thought that since ethical considerations would condemn the deviation from the prescribed path (no sex, no knowledge of the facts Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-30512414440506373762016-03-06T22:31:21.445+00:002016-03-06T22:31:21.445+00:00I was thinking about this the other day, just how ...I was thinking about this the other day, just how negative Poison is, in its image, very negative connotations, so what does it really mean? What is it expressing and what does it say about the people who wear it? I also found its concept incredibly literal, which is so strange, I can't really put it into words. Maybe it works against the fragrance? I don't know. LetThemEatCakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339492139237154732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-77638820109467928842016-03-06T21:45:08.570+00:002016-03-06T21:45:08.570+00:00Why do people call them fecal when indoles smell o...Why do people call them fecal when indoles smell of moth balls in their pure form? LetThemEatCakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17339492139237154732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-20318509978251838862007-12-21T17:26:00.000+00:002007-12-21T17:26:00.000+00:00Dear V,true about the patent (and wasn't Wollaston...Dear V,<BR/>true about the patent (and wasn't Wollaston terribly cunning in getting the patent). I think it was Kepler that first used it? For scientific purposes, not art.<BR/>I recall Vermeer used camera obscura for his. <BR/><BR/>Comments with pics would be fab! <BR/><BR/>PS. Thanks for saying so. Will try to pop in.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-66485930858511148652007-12-20T22:11:00.000+00:002007-12-20T22:11:00.000+00:00Patented by Wollaston in 1806 but written document...Patented by Wollaston in 1806 but written documentation of its use over 200 years earlier. <BR/><BR/>For a <I>camera obscura</I> you'd need the subject in bright sunshine and a whole room completely darkened with just a pinhole to admit light. As if the artist was sitting inside a giant 'traditional camera' as we know it and the shutter was open (which is possible because some artists kept an airAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-38146087255464075242007-12-20T09:55:00.000+00:002007-12-20T09:55:00.000+00:00Dear V,thank you for your kind words.The idea of c...Dear V,<BR/>thank you for your kind words.<BR/><BR/>The idea of camera lucida is very clever. Somehow I think it might be camera obscura though, since he lived so much earlier than the former's extended use, popularised by Wollaston. But I might be wrong.<BR/><BR/>In any case interesting to actually try a lens over the skull.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-86322071922716989172007-12-20T09:44:00.000+00:002007-12-20T09:44:00.000+00:00Thank you N. I knew it would resonate with you as ...Thank you N. I knew it would resonate with you as I have come to know your sensibilities.<BR/>Of course smoke (per fumum) has its own rapport between living and dead: very succinct point. Your image of a bridge is very evocative of the other world.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-52974097385992855992007-12-20T08:46:00.000+00:002007-12-20T08:46:00.000+00:00Good article. If the correct lens was put to the s...Good article. <BR/><BR/>If the correct lens was put to the skull depicted in Holbein's <I>The Ambassadors</I> (the double portrait of Jean de Dinteville and either Georges de Selve or François de Dinteville) I'd be willing to bet it would appear in proper proportion. <BR/><BR/>Use of the <I>camera lucida</I> causes a distortion because of the field of focus. The artist has manipulated the skull Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-50412428846787701722007-12-19T20:24:00.000+00:002007-12-19T20:24:00.000+00:00Well, what can i say: that small post hit me just ...Well, what can i say: that small post hit me just right in the middle. I love your thoughts, helg. I love the idea of the post. I love the images, the visuals and your analysis of them. Very erotic. Very sharp.<BR/>One little thought came to my mind: the holy smokes and fumes were and still are, by some, used to build a bridge, to create a contact between this side and the "other side", the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-84311234561641078252007-12-19T18:51:00.000+00:002007-12-19T18:51:00.000+00:00Yes, that's the one, smart gal. I was referring to...Yes, that's the one, smart gal. I was referring to the decay though, not the indoles and leather in the above phrase (I think the fungus is "decaying" the fruit). <BR/>I may have been hazy in my syntax,though; excusez-moi. The wrong spelling though: that's inexcusable.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-77283151456703111252007-12-19T17:42:00.000+00:002007-12-19T17:42:00.000+00:00Small correction: "pourriture noble" refers to the...Small correction: "pourriture noble" refers to the mold that is allowed to develop on grapes to make certain wines like the Sauternes. If memory serves, it was Luca Turin in the Emperor of Scent who refered to the riper olfactory tastes of the French by mentioning, among other things, cheese and "pourriture noble".<BR/>Bittergrace, you're right: perfumes do carry a note of the bodily decay carmencanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04242409369868615074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-9321606362748139472007-12-19T14:26:00.000+00:002007-12-19T14:26:00.000+00:00Dear M,thank you :-) When the ad was drawn to my a...Dear M,<BR/><BR/>thank you :-) When the ad was drawn to my attention I immediately thought that Memento Mori hasn't really disappeared from our culture. Only now is not catechism, but rather something that we fight so urgently with all that "live forever, be young forever" health-freak cult.<BR/><BR/>I agree of course that indoles and leather do hint at decay. In fact it's been called "pourritudePerfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-86902264225996113072007-12-19T14:21:00.000+00:002007-12-19T14:21:00.000+00:00Dear D,good point about death and perfume. For cen...Dear D,<BR/><BR/>good point about death and perfume. For centuries odours were thought the means through which disease travelled (hence the beaks/quacks of doctors).<BR/><BR/>As to flowers dying to yield their best...not any more, alas (aka living flower technology). But this is another matter for another day.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-34904224818253184532007-12-19T14:20:00.000+00:002007-12-19T14:20:00.000+00:00I, dear, aren't those great images? The ad is so s...I, dear, aren't those great images? The ad is so subtly erotic.Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-25031906483892322772007-12-19T13:26:00.000+00:002007-12-19T13:26:00.000+00:00Oops, that's "you're" good. My inner schoolmarm ca...Oops, that's "you're" good. My inner schoolmarm cannot let that go uncorrected.BitterGracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262639525430954930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-45857390938135279032007-12-19T13:25:00.000+00:002007-12-19T13:25:00.000+00:00Damn, your good, Helg! I love this post. I could j...Damn, your good, Helg! I love this post. I could just meditate on it all day. One thought that occurs to me is that the greatest perfumes incorporate some element of decay-- some olfactory memento mori--within themselves, whether it's the fecal rot of indoles, or the leather notes you and Denyse have been exploring.BitterGracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262639525430954930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-62086886791669109492007-12-19T12:29:00.000+00:002007-12-19T12:29:00.000+00:00Very striking ad -- I'd never seen it before. But ...Very striking ad -- I'd never seen it before. But then I don't buy magazines any more. I'm sure John Galliano had some input in this: he's always been fascinated by art and psychoanalysis.<BR/>Death is in perfume's DNA. Not only because of the perfume/poison associations that go back to Catherine de Medicis' era, but because smells were thought to carry death. <BR/>And don't flowers need to die carmencanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04242409369868615074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-81943171234100604532007-12-19T12:15:00.000+00:002007-12-19T12:15:00.000+00:00Loving the visuals...So erotic.My, my-It's early h...Loving the visuals...So erotic.<BR/>My, my-<BR/>It's early here !chayaruchamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04889166567884475415noreply@blogger.com