tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post9089405656934076975..comments2024-03-27T09:09:56.489+00:00Comments on Perfume Shrine: How Much Will the Niche Market Bear?Perfumeshrinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-22350618660206874532015-01-24T12:07:17.153+00:002015-01-24T12:07:17.153+00:00Rosestrang,
thank you for the long and detailed c...Rosestrang,<br /><br />thank you for the long and detailed comment. <br /><br />My claim is that capitalism though it is, niche began as an address to the needs of those who wanted to buy something not available to the masses. So the massification of niche is canceling out the original need. Those people need to increasingly seek out other options, till those become mainstream-ized as well, and Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-46932642748155071272015-01-23T17:52:34.936+00:002015-01-23T17:52:34.936+00:00That's Capitalism for you though eh?!
If ther...That's Capitalism for you though eh?!<br /><br />If there's market demand then there's the potential for mass distribution. The question is - does that make the original work any less original? No. Will mass production make it make it cheaper? Yes. Is that a good thing? I think so! Chanel were on to the exclusive thing way back with No 5. That's the trick. I mean, that's were Rose Strangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-10706217404957858182010-02-05T16:17:10.958+00:002010-02-05T16:17:10.958+00:00Oh, it's very much about making money, I'm...Oh, it's very much about making money, I'm afraid. I'm sure the perfumers don't mind too much -- hey, if you're an artist and someone offers you gobs of money to make art, you take it. The larger companies have figured out that perfume is the next thing in the line of luxury items that they can squeeze for every dime (like It Bags and It Shoes) and so they are. Eventually StyleSpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09032983147859861793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-15527371216486026242010-02-05T13:28:46.952+00:002010-02-05T13:28:46.952+00:00Hi E! Late, been busy, but thanks for the referenc...Hi E! Late, been busy, but thanks for the reference -- once again this all reminds me of the music business in the 80's, when suddenly a few independent labels began to release good music, and all the majors and mini-majors suddenly jumped onto the bandwagon with "alternative" music, labels and even "alternative" marketing people. I began to wonder, alternative to what, Olfactahttp://olfactarama.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-34716224794326376232010-02-05T11:58:40.949+00:002010-02-05T11:58:40.949+00:00Helg,
do try the Coromandel and BdI mix. Coromand...Helg, <br />do try the Coromandel and BdI mix. Coromandel is sort of softer and more rounded where Bois des Iles is somewhat harsh and the greasy smoke of Coromandel mixed with BdI cedarwood just rocks.<br />As for the samples I sent you, all are mine. They however need some tweaking, I notice that while maturing, some of the materials start to stick out more than I'd want. Let me know if youLindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10451092262381231105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-79470962432710713842010-02-05T00:10:07.475+00:002010-02-05T00:10:07.475+00:00Increase the size or increase the price...oh how s...Increase the size or increase the price...oh how sad. I suppose one must have a good bullshit detector in this tricky market! As a fun coincidence, by gigantic bottle of Sycomore arrived today. No regret there though :)Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09424300101969094900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-46901366723960204552010-02-04T22:51:29.378+00:002010-02-04T22:51:29.378+00:00A very interesting and insightful post, dear E. As...A very interesting and insightful post, dear E. As they say - "Sometimes more of a good thing isn't good, it's just more." <br /><br />I've spent my professional career in the Thoroughbred racing industry, formerly known as the sport of kings. Somewhere along in the '80's every doctor, banker, sheikh, lawyer and venture capitalist out there decided that the tax laws Rappleyeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05368969125735482669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-86195766299023530832010-02-04T22:44:39.837+00:002010-02-04T22:44:39.837+00:00Hi E, yes I very much agree and it's certainly...Hi E, yes I very much agree and it's certainly the same in the UK for most people. You certainly still have a vulgar few, the stereotypical footballer types who are conspicuously spending and I think in this country more than most many people are too used to owning every new thing being a right whether they can afford things or not.<br /><br />That said most people have cut back spending and Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08459305021803770946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-37916770930513760472010-02-04T21:19:41.325+00:002010-02-04T21:19:41.325+00:00Z,
it's never late :-) Welcome to the discuss...Z,<br /><br />it's never late :-) Welcome to the discussion!<br /><br />Oh yes, AT is right; what's the meaning of niche any more? Everyone is doing it, it seems.<br />Variety is a good thing, though, to a logical extend. And I agree with you that 2009 has been a good year for perfumes. Regarding why they all issue "lines" however, to be perfectly honest my own personal opinion Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-57305388726808767562010-02-04T17:00:37.283+00:002010-02-04T17:00:37.283+00:00Hi, very interesting discussion, though I might ha...Hi, very interesting discussion, though I might have dropped late.<br />It reminds me of a few assertions of AT on his blog: he doesn't want to be catalogued niche any more and I can certainly understand why.<br />Many brands have thought that a fancy packaging, a limited distribution and steep prices could give the illusion of quality. I think taht these kind of games don't last. The Zazienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-21846146228742250532010-02-04T15:12:24.960+00:002010-02-04T15:12:24.960+00:00L,
can't disagree with you, after all the Per...L,<br /><br />can't disagree with you, after all the Perfumista Challenge thingie was supporting this hypothesis and I'm glad it proves it. (So spill the beans, who made the fine specimen and what are they charging for it?) <br />One of the esteemed natural perfumes, Dominique Dubrana, had once "broken" the code of silence on this: It is rather easy to make something that smellsPerfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-58045593359539182862010-02-04T15:06:55.227+00:002010-02-04T15:06:55.227+00:00Jared,
thanks for the trust :-)
It IS scary that...Jared,<br /><br />thanks for the trust :-)<br /><br />It IS scary that prices have skyrocketed the way they did, but what's more scary is that there is a deliberate "planning" in which the consumer is considered to place value in relation to price, in the lines of "If it's that expensive, it's got to be good". This instinctively and intellectually bothers me, Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-57993648617175206842010-02-04T13:41:28.149+00:002010-02-04T13:41:28.149+00:00I have hardly anything to add.
I've got someth...I have hardly anything to add.<br />I've got something from the Perfumista Challenge and that leads me to believe that people themselves can make their own stuff which is at least as good as any random new release. One doesn't need roses grown on Mars to make something that smells nice. Damn, patchouli oil is nicer than most current releases. So what.<br />(I also like Coromandel. Try Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10451092262381231105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-31366172531079263002010-02-04T09:35:16.739+00:002010-02-04T09:35:16.739+00:00Great topic- but one that doesn't exactly leav...Great topic- but one that doesn't exactly leave one feeling relieved, does it? The above comments strike a chord in that the price points for so many of these seem quite up there. You're right, anything $100 or less is downright cheap, and hey, even $120 is starting to sound cheap, when even a year ago, that seemed steep to me. It's scary that I'm getting used to paying something Jaredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09424300101969094900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-79531129445113571362010-02-03T21:57:15.344+00:002010-02-03T21:57:15.344+00:00Ida,
it's all very disillusioning...especiall...Ida,<br /><br />it's all very disillusioning...especially for someone as immersed in things. A slower pace would produce less ennui. <br /><br />Your axiom is sound advice. If only that "shortlisting" was already done by the companies themselves and save us the trouble ;-)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-18223757674722999212010-02-03T21:32:18.009+00:002010-02-03T21:32:18.009+00:00Lordy-
All this makes me want to slit my wrists !...Lordy-<br /><br />All this makes me want to slit my wrists !<br /><br />Seriously, though-<br />I appreciate how all these factors can lead to ennui and disillusionment.<br /><br />Personally, I would rather wait for fewer, more exquisite scents, than frantically attempt to sniff all this chazerei.<br /><br />FEH.<br />My two cents ;-)chayaruchamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04889166567884475415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-33751122041878122642010-02-03T19:26:00.517+00:002010-02-03T19:26:00.517+00:00Karin,
definitely! The point is not whether we li...Karin,<br /><br />definitely! The point is not whether we like some things (I do like Coromandel as well and re:TI it deserves its own post). The point is whether the move to establish an haute profile for brands was necessary from an aesthetic point of view (or from a business one. And as much as I'd like to think it was the former, I'm more convinced it was the latter... <br />The Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-2641871954021893102010-02-03T19:20:07.493+00:002010-02-03T19:20:07.493+00:00K,
thank you, I was hoping someone would jump up ...K,<br /><br />thank you, I was hoping someone would jump up on this and elaborate.<br />It's not just a matter of fragrance writing, as much as it is a matter of fragrance producing! And planning! Suddenly perfume sounded like the area to make a buck, as you say, and this somehow diminishes all the "art" aspirations. Otherwise why didn't they act on it before? Wasn't it &Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-40932251913326002592010-02-03T18:16:50.743+00:002010-02-03T18:16:50.743+00:00I think there is a whole lot of dreck, or at least...I think there is a whole lot of dreck, or at least stuff that smells like dreck on me. I do, however, like B2B. I also like Tonka Imperiale. And Coromandel. Ah, well...Karinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07122976212626403838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-83732251016031857592010-02-03T16:02:49.120+00:002010-02-03T16:02:49.120+00:00Hi E, very good post/ opening of debate. I agree t...Hi E, very good post/ opening of debate. I agree there is too much juice, especially mediocre juice and too much short termism. There are also too many companies and individuals in the biz to make a buck who don't know much about perfume and don't care much about it either. Perhaps I am guilty of writing reviews etc without having worked in the industry but I have read widely, attended Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08459305021803770946noreply@blogger.com