tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post8905509781459713199..comments2024-03-29T05:13:21.130+00:00Comments on Perfume Shrine: Perfume Appreciation & the Quest for Objective BeautyPerfumeshrinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-60273130366736439762009-11-29T15:49:00.851+00:002009-11-29T15:49:00.851+00:00JA,
literature of the 19th century does have that...JA,<br /><br />literature of the 19th century does have that effect, I'm afraid. But it's worth it (if only for his antithesis with Kant's theory)! Obviously it needs blocking some time. <br /><br />So sorry about your experience with your friend...<br />You know, I think you're definitely on to something!! There is a received notion of the "beauty" of tuberose, and thenPerfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-43250756533590608792009-11-29T15:36:37.193+00:002009-11-29T15:36:37.193+00:00K,
you bring an excellent point to the discussion...K,<br /><br />you bring an excellent point to the discussion!<br />The commerciability of an art form doesn't diminish its value in people's lives: Great masters painted for palaces and churches (presumambly those were places that a lot of eyes would see them) and their art was not intended for the museum or the connoisseurs! I also applaud the classic ideal of beautifying the city so Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-32832123705107325062009-11-29T15:33:03.994+00:002009-11-29T15:33:03.994+00:00M,
the painting is beautiful IMO because it uses ...M,<br /><br />the painting is beautiful IMO because it uses perspective and brishwork into a harmonious effect, but also because it provides cognitive stimulus, challenging our perception of the subject. There is no doubt the image is beautiful, but is the subject as well? (Isn't it a clever painting one that manages that!)<br />So re: whether fat people are beautiful or not. It depends on Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-30475831927602224722009-11-29T15:23:35.398+00:002009-11-29T15:23:35.398+00:00TUOS,
thanks for chimming in!
Ah...Greek is a ha...TUOS,<br /><br />thanks for chimming in! <br />Ah...Greek is a hard language to learn for foreigners alas: but extremely rewarding in that its syntax and grammatical patterns organise the thought into a completely different way than the Anglo-Saxon linguistic patterns. I am a firm believer that the classical studies do provide a completely unique way of thinking, forgotten by the modern world, Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-75931445427561431102009-11-29T15:15:58.118+00:002009-11-29T15:15:58.118+00:00S,
what a lovely quote, thanks for bringing it he...S,<br /><br />what a lovely quote, thanks for bringing it here! (He has more than a pretty face I see)<br /><br />Certainly there is cognitive value in perfume appreciation: I believe it trascends beauty sometimes, in producing discordance and sharp clashes, which however do appeal to us. <br />And I have to say your saying: "Perfumes can be regarded as better or worse ways of presenting a Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-37200968532388382842009-11-29T15:13:26.049+00:002009-11-29T15:13:26.049+00:00I,
like I said to Chayaruchama above, I don't...I,<br /><br />like I said to Chayaruchama above, I don't really believe in arbitrers of taste (even though I appreciate the thoughts of LT very much). <br />Excellent illustation of your point though, now I see it clearer: I suppose there is a value of innovation, quirkiness and connoisseurship regarding the first group, while there is the value of gut-feeling appeal/association in the secondPerfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-72150947760216035162009-11-29T15:11:05.076+00:002009-11-29T15:11:05.076+00:00M,
salient points as always.
I feel that the pro...M,<br /><br />salient points as always. <br />I feel that the products "created" by thought-groups and brainstorming sessions over oval desks lack an essential (ha!) quality that most great works of art possess: a unique vision, a person's passion! When something is thus "shared", manipulated and dissected into minutiae some of its soul escapes to never revert...Or so I Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-68766029791132839332009-11-29T15:02:11.696+00:002009-11-29T15:02:11.696+00:00I,
I love that Saville painting as well: it does ...I,<br /><br />I love that Saville painting as well: it does give new insight into what we "consider" beautiful, so I thought it a propos. <br /><br />Arbitrers of taste is a notion that I have little appreciation of myself: However there is a difference between <i>taste</i> (whether good or bad) and <i>harmony</i>. The latter can't be disputed. <br />As you say the intellectual Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-598090375251158202009-11-28T10:44:18.270+00:002009-11-28T10:44:18.270+00:00After reading this (with great enjoyment), I reali...After reading this (with great enjoyment), I realized I have a copy of The Sense of Beauty by George Santayana in my "To Read" stack next to my bed. It inevitably is pushed to bottom in favor of something more easily digestible; I will rectify this weekend. <br /><br />I was recently asked to help find a tuberose scent for a friend. After sending a copious amount of samples all were JAntoinettenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-85599547117098273172009-11-27T10:08:55.028+00:002009-11-27T10:08:55.028+00:00Perfume is an art form but perhaps because there i...Perfume is an art form but perhaps because there isn't a history of it being treated as such people don't realise. I am passionate about the fact that a Guerlain scent is as much a master piece as a painting. So you can buy it easily- you can buy a reproduction of sunflowers very easily but it doesn't mean it's any less relevant or important to people. <br /><br />I agree about Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08459305021803770946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-30963807440380312232009-11-26T09:37:27.834+00:002009-11-26T09:37:27.834+00:00Love the choice of the painting by Jenny Saville! ...Love the choice of the painting by Jenny Saville! <br />Are fat people beautiful or are they not -- one could go on and on about what is beautiful and what is not. Nose or eyes - we all judge and what I think is beautiful others may not. That is what makes life so interesting! <br /><br />I find that painting beautiful by the way. <br />I shall be posting a Christmas card to you with my address lady jickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09013352537776588166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-20299943897293492872009-11-25T11:30:44.029+00:002009-11-25T11:30:44.029+00:00A thought provoking and well-written piece once ag...A thought provoking and well-written piece once again, Ms E. I also wish I knew Greek. You are at an advantage amongst Classical aficionados :) .<br /><br />Off the top of my head - there are some scents very much of 'their time' but beautiful. But personal associations come into play. For example the heavy fragrances of the 80s remind me of my childhood and associations regardless The Umbrellas of Sefibourghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834043717125125339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-65050934155549589302009-11-25T10:32:02.772+00:002009-11-25T10:32:02.772+00:00Thank you! This piece initiate a lot of thinking! ...Thank you! This piece initiate a lot of thinking! Well, just a few word now. I think perfumes shall not just please, they must give meaning. Remember reading Killian Hennesy in an interview saying that the challenge for a perfumer is to create a scent that smells and thinks. A great perfume is never just a beautiful harmony. <br />(I'm a philosopher, and I belong to the ones thinking that artstella pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-34546584020503167482009-11-25T08:50:05.209+00:002009-11-25T08:50:05.209+00:00Hmm, off the top of my head, lately what I seem to...Hmm, off the top of my head, lately what I seem to like and wear that would enter the beautiful would be Feminite du Bois, Bulgari Black and Chinatown (if we assume LT knows what is great and beautiful) and I really enjoyed Very Irresistible by Givenchy and Brazilian Beat by Avon.Ineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12119611878721554991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-82290170783307919462009-11-25T01:45:28.519+00:002009-11-25T01:45:28.519+00:00It is indeed perpelexing, E--as is Blogger, which ...It is indeed perpelexing, E--as is Blogger, which is acting up over on my site as well. I hadn't thought much about how the commercial aspect complicates things, but as you point out, "value" is multi-faceted, and the economic value certainly has implications for aesthetic value, at least among some consumers.<br /><br />I agree that any critique has to take into account the earnestBitterGracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262639525430954930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-59373130227244363562009-11-24T22:07:12.433+00:002009-11-24T22:07:12.433+00:00I'm no one to judge others.
And I love that S...I'm no one to judge others.<br /><br />And I love that Saville painting.<br /><br />Perplexing as it may be, I believe in the rights of ALL-<br />Not simply those who fancy that they have exquisite taste.<br /><br />Bring it on.<br /><br />I love the intellectual conundrum and challenge-<br />It keeps us honest.<br />I crave honest....chayaruchamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04889166567884475415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-62124881855539440832009-11-24T21:05:42.256+00:002009-11-24T21:05:42.256+00:00M,
so sorry about that...:-(
I wonder why Blogger...M,<br /><br />so sorry about that...:-(<br />I wonder why Blogger is acting up sometimes. Could it be that there was a link included? Sometimes the texting/code for those wraps up the comment weirdly and it gets rejected. (I don't know...)<br /><br />Indeed the subject is endless, it's so difficult to reconcile opposing views on this, because so often it touches on general principle (we&#Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-3326137831100332952009-11-24T21:01:46.411+00:002009-11-24T21:01:46.411+00:00I,
there is something to be said about embracing ...I,<br /><br />there is something to be said about embracing the non-beautiful too, as well as perfume being seen sometimes as olfactory escapism (which doesn't necessarily correlate with art and that's perfectly all right, if one acknoledges it, or in some cases it could bear some relation).<br />Do you have any specific examples?Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-34833846128400259442009-11-24T21:00:00.640+00:002009-11-24T21:00:00.640+00:00D,
thanks honey! Greek is rather difficult to lea...D,<br /><br />thanks honey! Greek is rather difficult to learn (I swear we're having trouble with children learning ancient Greek as well, so it's not like I am exagerrating), but quite rewarding. <br /><br />There is a difference between politeness and political correctness to be sure, you're absolutely right. There is no need to hurt anyone's feelings and like so many of us I Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-2925350709729962212009-11-24T19:54:09.945+00:002009-11-24T19:54:09.945+00:00Strange, E--I left a long comment, and got an erro...Strange, E--I left a long comment, and got an error message when I tried to post it.<br /><br />I won't try to re-create it, except to say, Great post! It's an eternal question. I think you can critique beauty from either a Platonic or romantic perspective, but you can't converse across the philosophical chasm between them.BitterGracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18262639525430954930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-38993144403034140122009-11-24T19:30:03.914+00:002009-11-24T19:30:03.914+00:00Wow! This was really informative in more ways than...Wow! This was really informative in more ways than I initially thought. I'm realtively new to this whole brave perfume world but what I've come to realize is I can appreciate some perfumes even though I can't imagine wearing them and then there are some I wish lasted longer than an hour on me, and some that might not be termed beautiful by my friends and family or even perfumistas, Ineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12119611878721554991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-39042939368151151542009-11-24T16:37:05.926+00:002009-11-24T16:37:05.926+00:00What a terrific piece, dearest E! How lovely to r...What a terrific piece, dearest E! How lovely to read such elegant and informed writing. I do wish I could read Greek too.<br /><br />I completely agree that we are so afraid of not being PC that we make up excuses, but the "chemistry" thing just doesn't fly with me at all and never has. And being British, I am not quite so hung up about being PC as some, although politeness (not Fiordiliginoreply@blogger.com