tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post8228466788303867490..comments2024-03-27T09:09:56.489+00:00Comments on Perfume Shrine: Chronicles of a Destiny Foretold: Why Olivier Polge Was Set to Become Head Perfumer at Chanel Since Forever; a 3 Person DramaPerfumeshrinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-16177221112302641212016-04-10T19:56:51.903+01:002016-04-10T19:56:51.903+01:00Elena ...my issue with O Polge taking over is that...Elena ...my issue with O Polge taking over is that the direction of Chanel perfumery will move into a sweeter territory . <br />Mimi Gardenianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-18625843155854124632013-07-12T10:00:47.319+01:002013-07-12T10:00:47.319+01:00N,
very well said.
I do believe that our backgr...N,<br /><br />very well said. <br /><br />I do believe that our background shapes us. More than can be explained and more than can be intellectually analyzed. <br /><br />Good parable with the polo thing!Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-20861636780949434272013-07-12T05:24:03.189+01:002013-07-12T05:24:03.189+01:00I would expect culture and emotional development a...I would expect culture and emotional development and curiosity play a large role, and being present and appreciating people and their opinions - surely his life has helped him develop along those lines. <br />While not really a nepotism thing, I remember a polo playing family, I loved watching the youngers join in and they could play well immediately from having watched and attended the field. NadineisthatUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02014282612899951591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-4115009853877420392013-07-11T13:27:06.234+01:002013-07-11T13:27:06.234+01:00Astrid,
perfumery is a craft in my eyes, not an a...Astrid,<br /><br />perfumery is a craft in my eyes, not an art, but the reasons for that are on a different plane. Art has a theoretical background and its appreciation makes use of it. Whereas perfume relies on subjectiveness and money churned...<br /><br />But there is a point about honing a skill through exposure to an experienced craftsman and learning from them and then exploring yourself Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-39201240768059351432013-07-11T12:30:36.733+01:002013-07-11T12:30:36.733+01:00Kind of underscores the contention that perfumery ...Kind of underscores the contention that perfumery is a skill rather than an art: i.e. with proper training anybody can achieve mastery. Which falls in line with Europe's (often nepotist) guild tradition.Astridnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-69975114787186607362013-07-11T11:49:40.589+01:002013-07-11T11:49:40.589+01:00Ines,
that is an epiphany worthy of the Saul on t...Ines,<br /><br />that is an epiphany worthy of the Saul on the way to Damascus! (my, how people bend with the willows in the wind) <br /><br />Repetto review uploading shortly! ;-)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-86553177295150230992013-07-11T11:48:14.854+01:002013-07-11T11:48:14.854+01:00Not so much (but it's happened) but we do have...Not so much (but it's happened) but we do have a lot of communists becoming Catholic Democrats. ;)Ineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12119611878721554991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-34514983403991214942013-07-11T11:42:44.523+01:002013-07-11T11:42:44.523+01:00Ines,
when you hear too much delicate prose, one ...Ines,<br /><br />when you hear too much delicate prose, one should hold a small basket. ;-)<br /><br />Do you have the same surnames running the country for 70-80 years? We take the cake!! (Though, yes, point taken)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-56238634257627995232013-07-11T11:41:34.583+01:002013-07-11T11:41:34.583+01:00Rosestrang,
very wisely said. I suppose the matte...Rosestrang,<br /><br />very wisely said. I suppose the matter of famous parent and their children is a difficult one, because there are so many nuances and not all parents nor children end up the same: some like the challenge and rise above or do something indie, others are weighted down, others still live on easy money and do nothing. It takes all kinds. <br /><br />I am very much afraid that Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-61935148838813203642013-07-11T11:36:33.007+01:002013-07-11T11:36:33.007+01:00MH,
haha, trust you to make a pithy and incisive...MH,<br /><br /><br />haha, trust you to make a pithy and incisive comment! Very true!<br /><br />You know, you said it best: can you blame it on children having it good (what were they supposed to do, cut off an arm or something?) or parents for wanting to make it good for them? No. So...<br /><br />In the end, as I said above many times, it doesn't really matter. It's just that it's Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-36926387265288985002013-07-11T11:34:50.067+01:002013-07-11T11:34:50.067+01:00AMC,
great point! I don't know. I assumed he ...AMC,<br /><br />great point! I don't know. I assumed he had an Australian passport? I am not sure. I should probably ask someone and see. I may be wrong. <br /><br />The perfumery world is full of relatives, see the Guichards, the Roudnitskas, the Ellenas, the, the, the...It does not matter in the end. If by being brought up a certain way you learn things more easily and adopt a superior Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-211825248651730942013-07-11T11:31:20.471+01:002013-07-11T11:31:20.471+01:00Sibilum,
thank you for coming aboard and on the o...Sibilum,<br /><br />thank you for coming aboard and on the open, hope you enjoy it around here (we welcome questions, dissent, discourse etc)<br /><br />Well, probably because everyone and their mother had reviewed Bois des Iles. But that is no fault of the perfume and maybe I should sit down and do a proper review & history one of these days. I do love it. :-)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-43987581797735977762013-07-11T11:28:12.087+01:002013-07-11T11:28:12.087+01:00M,
as I said to NFS, I don't believe it's...M,<br /><br />as I said to NFS, I don't believe it's the perfumer's place to decide what they will issue next. ;-)<br /><br />Whether he will be able to preserve the masterpieces, that has to do with other considerations and I have no doubt that if given free rein, the necessary budget and the leeway to be inventive, Olivier will do a good job. Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-18897697620361843912013-07-11T11:26:43.248+01:002013-07-11T11:26:43.248+01:00NFS,
thanks, this is exactly the kind of pat on t...NFS,<br /><br />thanks, this is exactly the kind of pat on the back I need (I feel pretty low about the recession in Europe) :-)<br /><br />Well, I have been pretty underwhelmed ever since Sycomore (and Eau Premiere), so that makes it, what, 5 years?? I think there is a most definite swift in how Chanel propels itself to the world of fragrances. I don't see this changing no matter who they Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-16759662449400442352013-07-11T11:23:58.019+01:002013-07-11T11:23:58.019+01:00Portia,
hi there honey!
Yes, there is something...Portia,<br /><br />hi there honey! <br /><br />Yes, there is something about being brought up in an environment which is a certain way. Osmosis works. That much I know is true. And Olivier is plenty talented on his own. I'm sure that if he didn't have enough worth proven he wouldn't have been appointed, or there would be some sort of scandal. <br /><br />As I mentioned above, to my Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-20628252174913501842013-07-11T11:20:19.267+01:002013-07-11T11:20:19.267+01:00Zazie,
that's very interesting. But if it'...Zazie,<br /><br />that's very interesting. But if it's only Coromandel (and much less so 31RC) then his "patte" isn't too pronounced...hmmm? <br /><br />I believe we're making a disservice to CS by coupling him only with the work for SL: he did many other things and in a very different style (see Tocadilly, reviewed in these pages). I therefore wonder how much the art Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-8462312427471483372013-07-11T08:33:15.464+01:002013-07-11T08:33:15.464+01:00Ha! I was afraid the Repetto perfume was destined ...Ha! I was afraid the Repetto perfume was destined not to live up to its blurb.<br />Can't wait to read your thoughts on it. :)<br /><br />I will refrain from speaking about nepotism, coming from Croatia, I'm sure we share many similarities in our respective countries.Ineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12119611878721554991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-10013820409095242782013-07-11T07:16:48.649+01:002013-07-11T07:16:48.649+01:00Fascinating insight into the workings and machiner...Fascinating insight into the workings and machinery of the perfume world’s elite!<br /><br />I've experienced nepotism in the workplace - most damaging. Also, I agree with Miss Heliotrope, above, who mentions the fact that Coco herself got there on her own steam, and of course she was the genuine innovator.<br /><br />I suppose it would be a strange parent who didn’t want to make their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-90918373966158625342013-07-11T01:55:33.418+01:002013-07-11T01:55:33.418+01:00Chanel herself didn't get there through family...Chanel herself didn't get there through family connections...<br /><br />It happens everywhere to some extent - everyone helps their family members & one is more likely to know about the work one's parents do but not other things (my husband & I have have a very long list of jobs noone ever told us about & damn it, why can't we be the groundsmen at the Melbourne Cricket Miss Heliotropenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-63256751441961328952013-07-10T22:54:36.673+01:002013-07-10T22:54:36.673+01:00Sheldrake is not Australian is he? Your link is to...Sheldrake is not Australian is he? Your link is to an Australian source but by his accent (when he speaks English) I assume CS is an Englishman. <br /><br />When the Olivier Polge announcement was made a few days ago I was tempted to make a narky comment about nepotism, until I remembered having read that perfumery is often a family thing and that in Europe, appointments like this are probably annemariecnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-17460432599330161392013-07-10T21:31:16.639+01:002013-07-10T21:31:16.639+01:00Hello there! I've been reading your blog for a...Hello there! I've been reading your blog for a while now, and although this comment isn't about the subject at hand, I always wanted to ask you why you haven't reviewed Bois des Iles! :-) (At least it's about Chanel)sibilumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04845719023769540599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-80915869775561588562013-07-10T16:53:22.310+01:002013-07-10T16:53:22.310+01:00Chanel has been a bit of Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde, master...Chanel has been a bit of Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde, masterpieces and shameless, uninspiring money makers (I'll leave everybody to decide which is which). Plus it has been hit by IFRA as well.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see where Olivier Polge fits here. He can presumably do the money makers. But will he be able to preserve the masterpieces? We shall see.<br /><br />caciocaciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17902017914305322799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-26106642985060853722013-07-10T15:56:25.605+01:002013-07-10T15:56:25.605+01:00as an (unemployed in the field) american with an a...as an (unemployed in the field) american with an art history degree and a love of perfume, i find myself having a flash or sympathy with and envy of monsieur polge the younger for his ability to practice perfumery as a second career choice...(the only place worse than recession EU to be an art historian? recession america...) <br /><br />more seriously, i wonder if i like the foreshadowed nofixedstarshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15514617120008201743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-32942800390604468182013-07-10T15:48:00.220+01:002013-07-10T15:48:00.220+01:00Hiya,
I have always liked the idea of passing trad...Hiya,<br />I have always liked the idea of passing trades from parent to progeny, hereditary talent doesn't seem unbelievable when you've been brought up in a particular way, with all the workings surrounding you it could easily be "taught by osmosis." If CHANEL is looking to continue its current magic run but with fresh eyes, probably best that it be fresh eyes who understand Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-48555768181355284262013-07-10T14:36:16.952+01:002013-07-10T14:36:16.952+01:00Coromandel, as you point out, but also 31 RC...
It...Coromandel, as you point out, but also 31 RC...<br />It's the dense honey there that nods (in my mind at least!) at some of CS's work for Monsieur Lutens.<br />Though of course 31 RC cannot in any case be mistaken as a Serge Lutens, there are elements there that feel loosely related.<br />Just a personal impression, of course!Zazienoreply@blogger.com