tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post5116350188012432602..comments2024-03-27T09:09:56.489+00:00Comments on Perfume Shrine: The Strange Case of Dr.Oakmoss and Mr.Citrus (part 2)Perfumeshrinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-91528268857228927732009-04-23T16:54:00.000+01:002009-04-23T16:54:00.000+01:00A,
unfotunately the situation is rather complicat...A,<br /><br />unfotunately the situation is rather complicated. As to why just labelling the packaging with a warning won't work in practice, please refer to the previous posts on the Ifra series. <br /><br />But I share your sadness...It's rather annoying and sometimes downright disheartening to see something you love diminish and perish and become unrecognisable....<br />Let's hope they come upPerfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-54713174477992676472009-04-23T16:51:00.000+01:002009-04-23T16:51:00.000+01:00J,
you make an excellent point! I believe there ...J,<br /><br /><br />you make an excellent point! I believe there is some desire from major brands to "cover their asses" in the eventuality of something going wrong, which is of course undestandable. And that explains their willingness to enter in this charade in the first place ~and possibly some desire to excuse the cut-backs in some quality materials, come to tackle the other issues. <br />ButPerfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-38192883076199267872009-04-23T12:53:00.000+01:002009-04-23T12:53:00.000+01:00reading this post made me quite sad ... i am mourn...reading this post made me quite sad ... i am mourning the loss of those materials which we will no longer smell in those perfumes we love, altering them (sometimes so much so that they bear very little resemblance to the original) and to what end? really, would it be so hard to slap an allergy warning on the packaging?Audit Divahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08951918871940278111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-3963452662597762122009-04-17T15:34:00.000+01:002009-04-17T15:34:00.000+01:00Hi, E. To be honest, as I've looked into this, I'v...Hi, E. To be honest, as I've looked into this, I've been somewhat impressed by all of the "structures" that have been put into place to ensure some degree of scientific objectivity and to make the decisions around regulations "evidence-based." The determination of "acceptable levels" of these various compounds is not arbitrary, and a lot of time and money has been spent on doing the research to Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320628861633769796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-30390368688325566302009-04-17T09:25:00.000+01:002009-04-17T09:25:00.000+01:00M,
you said it best: "Looks like the key question...M,<br /><br />you said it best: "Looks like the key question here is who owns patents for all the proposed substitutes. If we learn that a good share of patents belongs to Chanel/Lauder, or any other member of IFRA or a related company - it will explain everything..."<br />That's not too far off the reality of it although it's complicated as the companies are antagonising each other in the Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-63576173936068053472009-04-17T09:20:00.000+01:002009-04-17T09:20:00.000+01:00P,
in some small way I believe the tobacco indust...P,<br /><br />in some small way I believe the tobacco industry is more powerful than Givaudan et al. Therefore it doesn't surprise me they can escape. After all, they can always claim that it is a conscious choice on the part of the consumer and cigarettes aren't sold to minors (theoretically). The same doesn't apply to perfume. Plus tobacco is addictive, so they can rest easy assured in that Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-22220459782185139182009-04-17T09:17:00.000+01:002009-04-17T09:17:00.000+01:00Anon,
I surely hope not! Oakmoss will be reviewed...Anon,<br /><br />I surely hope not! Oakmoss will be reviewed again in 2013 per the studies and the 43rd amendement. As to the rest, it's strongly recommended companies follow the changes, so...Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-9769883156345341642009-04-17T09:16:00.000+01:002009-04-17T09:16:00.000+01:00J,
you're welcome and I thank you for providing y...J,<br /><br />you're welcome and I thank you for providing yet another source of info! <br /><br />I am aware that RIFM is somehow "sanctioned" by IFRA, but one does expect a different panel of contributors. The issue of funding and the parallel of the phamaceutical companies is of course very complicated and I'd hazzard that the government should perhaps have a small fund for this, if all was Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-60513680802170805392009-04-17T09:11:00.000+01:002009-04-17T09:11:00.000+01:00P,
I believe it's standard practice not to reveal...P,<br /><br />I believe it's standard practice not to reveal financial or funding info. There's a peplum of secrecy on those things. <br /><br />As you say we're left to the devices of those mice studies. It's not that I refute the results, it's that there is no openess on this whole issue which bugs me. And I am sure that indeed everything is going to get "sanitised" in some way. Which is a Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-77024043632032788172009-04-17T09:09:00.000+01:002009-04-17T09:09:00.000+01:00Nicola,
very good question and you're welcome.
T ...Nicola,<br /><br />very good question and you're welcome.<br />T be honest I haven't yet heard of such a possibility, but it would be fabulous. I will search more and if my sources have more on that score I will certainly report it! Jasmine is pretty serious...Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-3013395673221480892009-04-17T09:07:00.000+01:002009-04-17T09:07:00.000+01:00D,
thanks...D,<br /><br />thanks...Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-68221432298274812962009-04-17T06:38:00.000+01:002009-04-17T06:38:00.000+01:00Looks like the key question here is who owns paten...Looks like the key question here is who owns patents for all the proposed substitutes. If we learn that a good share of patents belongs to Chanel/Lauder, or any other member of IFRA or a related company - it will explain everything...<br /> As to the concept of sensitizing itself, am I the only one to have strong doubts about it? If it works as they say, it must be true for all our 'household Marianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-61305786541030076782009-04-16T21:10:00.000+01:002009-04-16T21:10:00.000+01:00"...if they were sued..." exactly. It sound as tho..."...if they were sued..." exactly. It sound as though the fragrance companies are preparing to be the next target of allergy hysteria.<br /><br />I can't help but wonder, though, why the tobacco companies seem to be able to slither out of this year after year. Money, influence, lobbyists, politicians, lawyers? Cigarettes <I>kill</I> and everybody knows it. And then there are prescription drugs Olfactahttp://olfactarama.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-32020415204477634102009-04-16T19:56:00.000+01:002009-04-16T19:56:00.000+01:00Are the ylang ylang, jasmine and oakmoss finalized...Are the ylang ylang, jasmine and oakmoss finalized?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-33042135487487583972009-04-16T17:56:00.000+01:002009-04-16T17:56:00.000+01:00Hello, E. Thanks for this interesting series of po...Hello, E. Thanks for this interesting series of posts. I've seen the RIFM annual report, and think that there is perhaps a need for some clarification. My understanding is that the international fragrance industry (i.e. IFRA) established the "science-based, non-for-profit Research Institute for Fragrance Materials (RIFM)" in 1966 to "engage in research and evaluation" of the safety of fragrance Jarvishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08320628861633769796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-26633899073402371612009-04-16T15:03:00.000+01:002009-04-16T15:03:00.000+01:00Hi E!
Re-read the RIFM annual report earlier and ...Hi E!<br /><br />Re-read the RIFM annual report earlier and noticed that there are no P & L's or financial info pages on it, although the index says there are...hmmmm....of course this may be protocol for putting an annual report on the web. <br /><br />But, if you read this thing, it is genuinely scary to anyone who loves fragrance. It looks like they're going to go after everything,Olfactahttp://olfactarama.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-40135805380456944722009-04-16T14:18:00.000+01:002009-04-16T14:18:00.000+01:00Thank you so much for communicating the fruits of ...Thank you so much for communicating the fruits of your research in such an amateur friendly fashion. Like many others I suspect I am a little distressed at what appears to be a process of desecration of the classics. I had become almost reconciled to the oakmoss situation and was heartened at your recent article on the "alternatives" but jasmine? What is the sensitising part of jasmine and can itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-59334977696369198752009-04-16T13:49:00.000+01:002009-04-16T13:49:00.000+01:00Bravo!!Bravo!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-83214944360759474832009-04-16T12:54:00.000+01:002009-04-16T12:54:00.000+01:00Oh honey, thank you! Off to go read!
I am sure yo...Oh honey, thank you! Off to go read!<br /><br />I am sure you did an amazing job as usual. :-))Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-31820223428150203022009-04-16T12:52:00.000+01:002009-04-16T12:52:00.000+01:00E- gave you 'props' at sniffa magazine for the ama...E- gave you 'props' at sniffa magazine for the amazing job you do of educating us about all aspects of fragrance. Check out acknowledgements. You deserve it. Article is called NICHE, NICHER, NICHEST. xxxoo0 "your friend in fragrance" - michelyn<br /><br />sorry to highjack thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com