tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post3077186128093562203..comments2024-03-27T09:09:56.489+00:00Comments on Perfume Shrine: Tryvge Harris: "None of the ouds in any of those commercial perfumes are real. None."Perfumeshrinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-57921752434926900512017-03-04T13:24:53.133+00:002017-03-04T13:24:53.133+00:00I suppose you should seek an official answer to th...I suppose you should seek an official answer to that from the company directly. <br /><br />However may I point out that one can be technically within the claim of credibility by putting a drop of real oud in a mix of synths replicating oudh. Or they can use an inferior grade from dried wood chips instead from the resinous fungus growth itself. At both times they can claim oudh from a natural Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-18646641302824018152017-02-22T18:27:56.472+00:002017-02-22T18:27:56.472+00:00So, what about Francis Kurkdjian for example. In h...So, what about Francis Kurkdjian for example. In his Oud Mood collection.. He lists Oud from Laos as an ingredient. Is it false? J. Blachevellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07993204479768777040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-64726481390395792832013-01-11T04:01:00.905+00:002013-01-11T04:01:00.905+00:00Thanks for this. When I get the time to do it am g...Thanks for this. When I get the time to do it am getting ready to order more perfume from Via del Profumo; I enjoyed the oudh I sampled so much. Especially after a supposed niche bottle that cleared my sinuses like too much wasabi on my sushi. But *real* gardenia essence? Oh wow. Worth a trip to Oman, and visit Italy and Dubai on the way. Do you have a post elsewhere on the blog for reputable Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-39925837049054589162012-05-26T14:29:26.946+01:002012-05-26T14:29:26.946+01:00Dear Elena
Sorry I'm so late to this thread. ...Dear Elena<br /><br />Sorry I'm so late to this thread. I'm not getting email notices of your posts anymore, so I missed this.<br /><br />Trygve was the source for the Laotian Oud I use in my Temple perfume released in 2007. I have been entranced by Oud, though not in love with its scent, for many years. It started when a friend, who is the Baieido incense licensee for the USA, send meanyasgardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10223385840614041356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-13128937382023869332012-05-21T07:25:37.113+01:002012-05-21T07:25:37.113+01:00Giovanni,
thanks so much for stopping by to comme...Giovanni,<br /><br />thanks so much for stopping by to comment on this. <br />Yes, it was a most interesting discussion I bet and she throws a good light on many issues. Highly recommended reading. :-)<br />It's as you say: when there is this intentional blending of truth and fantasy where the consumer is left with the impression that real things are used it is a bit unethical on the part of Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-58371549111285009802012-05-19T09:09:34.392+01:002012-05-19T09:09:34.392+01:00Thank you very much for the post Elena.
The meeti...Thank you very much for the post Elena. <br />The meeting with Trygve was very exciting, salaam introduced me to her, I smelt her super lao and it was incredibile. <br />The problem for me Is a problem of truth. <br />If perfume houses say they use synthethics oud or synthethics raw, I can not like, but It's ok. <br />If the customer believe that the fragrance was Made with real oud... It'Giovannihttp://www.fragrancescout.itnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-80652575936041381752012-04-28T10:23:28.591+01:002012-04-28T10:23:28.591+01:00Martinus,
wise words...
Well, indeed as you say ...Martinus,<br /><br />wise words...<br /><br />Well, indeed as you say there are two schools in perfumery: photorealism and abstraction and they're both difficult, but perhaps the latter allows for more creativity to show (novel forms and not just formats) <br /><br />I seriously doubt my own experiences with oud, because they have been so diverse, so the differences are really miles apart. Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-11378690950094113072012-04-28T10:18:00.430+01:002012-04-28T10:18:00.430+01:00Anon,
the Montale line is all "erzatz" ...Anon,<br /><br />the Montale line is all "erzatz" on that account as far as I know. I had been crying that out from the rooftops for ages, but people just didn't want to listen. That does not mean that there are no good Montale fragrances, because there are. But that's a different matter than adherence to the real essence; one can make something wonderful with something Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-87787703973651220332012-04-28T10:14:18.564+01:002012-04-28T10:14:18.564+01:00Oh and Eliam,
feel free to drop me a line!Oh and Eliam,<br /><br />feel free to drop me a line!Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-75738214974030260292012-04-28T10:14:00.853+01:002012-04-28T10:14:00.853+01:00Eliam,
exactly!
I think what Tauer does with th...Eliam,<br /><br />exactly! <br /><br />I think what Tauer does with the limited editions on specific compositions that only run for a finite number of bottles is more honest (not about oud, but it could be like that for oud for other manufacturers as well). <br /><br />It is a fad. It will run its course. The sad thing is the poaching that happens in the interim. If the trees are depleted, like Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-78796484139945689272012-04-26T16:09:18.600+01:002012-04-26T16:09:18.600+01:00Back with you all very shortly! (off the door righ...Back with you all very shortly! (off the door right now)Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-59959455742752310332012-04-26T04:46:26.471+01:002012-04-26T04:46:26.471+01:00Just to jump on the bandwagon; since smelling actu...Just to jump on the bandwagon; since smelling actual oud I have been completely unable to stomach synthetic ouds. The true material is probably the most complex and shifting thing I've ever smelled - there are oud suppliers who I trust and whose prices reflect that reliability (Oudimentary, Oudhasi, Ensar @ Oriscent & AgarAura). <br /><br />Oud synthetics are totally hamstrung by their Martinus Scriblerushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03796707258344569405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-4050173351658316152012-04-25T17:11:50.085+01:002012-04-25T17:11:50.085+01:00Interesting article, which confirms what a lot of ...Interesting article, which confirms what a lot of people suspected all along, especially with regard to the Montale line.<br /><br />Props to Serge Lutens, who has yet to jump on the oud bandwagon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-28134127679345029142012-04-25T16:24:59.656+01:002012-04-25T16:24:59.656+01:00There is so much to say about this topic that I re...There is so much to say about this topic that I really don't even know where to start, but for the sake of time and not boring all of you to death I will keep my post as short as possible. :)<br /><br />Oud is definitely "in" right now. Everyone is launching their own version of an oud perfume, everyone wants one, and everyone talks about it. What's sad is that the majority Eliam Puentenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-21444064497159806602012-04-25T14:25:42.746+01:002012-04-25T14:25:42.746+01:00SS,
"huge, sheep-like rush to capitalize on ...SS,<br /><br />"huge, sheep-like rush to capitalize on each and every whim & fad in perfumery these days" is actually the best description I've read so far! Brava!<br />Indeed, not two launches go by with a different approach from the rest and everyone apes that "formula". Basta!Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-25733073577387999152012-04-25T14:24:03.679+01:002012-04-25T14:24:03.679+01:00P,
exactly! It just doesn't make sense, becau...P,<br /><br />exactly! It just doesn't make sense, because it's an incredibly variable "crops" so it should be common sense that the synths are at play. <br />Even the natural is not what it used to be and I bet most of us have not smelled the best possible real oudh that we could, simply because of shortage and depletion. Remember the case with iris a short 4-5 years ago when Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-21847053192154760892012-04-25T14:18:48.685+01:002012-04-25T14:18:48.685+01:00D,
glad you enjoyed! Thanks for stopping by.
As ...D,<br /><br />glad you enjoyed! Thanks for stopping by.<br /><br />As I said in my above comment, the issue is rather two-fold really: even those who do use a natural product (those very few) they don't use the resin from oud, just the dried wood chips (as per Harris quoted). It's the difference between baking with real chocolate and cocoa powder. Yes, the second is derived from what Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-79877160954840293062012-04-25T14:04:19.724+01:002012-04-25T14:04:19.724+01:00MHC,
it's a complex issue as Harris explains...MHC, <br /><br />it's a complex issue as Harris explains that even using the dried out wood chips can be claimed to be "natural" (and it is), but they're totally devoid of the specific resin produced by the tree to treat the "infection", which is really the whole raison d'etre of oud. Essentially even brands that use a natural product (very few among them, mostly Perfumeshrinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222733129203280662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-14472445902056431572012-04-25T13:50:11.959+01:002012-04-25T13:50:11.959+01:00Even if it wasn't gone when they started makin...Even if it wasn't gone when they started making all these "oud" perfumes, it would be gone by now - I'm not sure how <i>any</i> natural material could support the demand created by the huge, sheep-like rush to capitalize on each and every whim & fad in perfumery these days.StyleSpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09032983147859861793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-1187397895277013972012-04-25T12:23:24.223+01:002012-04-25T12:23:24.223+01:00A-HA! I'll never forget my first encounter wit...A-HA! I'll never forget my first encounter with "oud" when I was new at this. I thought, "what's with the used dirty Band-Aid, have all of these people lost their wits?" I've gotten more accustomed to it now. And it just doesn't make sense that commercial perfumes would use something so difficult to source and maintain.Olfactahttp://olfactarama.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-2706843139683629672012-04-25T11:27:48.541+01:002012-04-25T11:27:48.541+01:00Thanks for this.
I have no doubt that, in the vas...Thanks for this.<br /><br />I have no doubt that, in the vast majority of cases, the ouds that are used are not natural. But the real question is: is this a problem? Many of the synthetic ouds are excellent.<br /><br />I think the real issue here is that of marketing honesty.Persolaisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04192014353722036319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3792393342962796253.post-28148527451195543172012-04-25T10:05:04.679+01:002012-04-25T10:05:04.679+01:00A shame, but probably true in more cases than not....A shame, but probably true in more cases than not. If a company can get away with cutting costs by using synthetics, they're going to just about every time.Mens Cologne Hubhttp://menscolognehub.com/noreply@blogger.com